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 Post Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:51 pm 
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ED, do you have the same view as Mark Roberts on the Siverstein "pull it" comment on video?
Mark Roberts said that he(Siverstein) never said that he called for the "pull" of WTC7?

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That's right, Silverstein indicated that it was the FDNY which made that decision.


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Also, what do you mean by "called''?


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ED wrote:
That's right, Silverstein indicated that it was the FDNY which made that decision.

No, ED, watch and listen : http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= ... z0Dw&hl=en
He said "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse." –Larry Silverstein

Silverstein first said to pull-it, then "they" made the decision to carry out that order.

Prove me wrong, with evidence and not with Mark Roberts assertions and interpretations of Larry's comments because that is all he has done.

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CanadianTruther wrote:
ED wrote:
That's right, Silverstein indicated that it was the FDNY which made that decision.

No, ED, watch and listen : http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= ... z0Dw&hl=en
He said "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse." –Larry Silverstein

Silverstein first said to pull-it, then "they" made the decision to carry out that order.

Prove me wrong, with evidence and not with Mark Roberts assertions and interpretations of Larry's comments because that is all he has done.


[font=Georgia]hahahaha, The 9/11 Truth Movement is alive Ed!! :lol: [/font]

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"No, ED, watch and listen : http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= ... z0Dw&hl=en
He said "I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse." –Larry Silverstein

Silverstein first said to pull-it, then "they" made the decision to carry out that order. "

''Silverstein first said to pull-it, then "they" made the decision to carry out that order. '' - This is silly. People make decisions to carry out orders? You have just contradicted the very definition of an order(without getting into the philosophical discussions on free will). This is the whole point of the term "order''. The top people make the orders. Those below follow them. The ''decision'' is made at the top.

Also how is this an order - ''and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.''How do you think Silverstein knew about the ''terrible loss of life?''. Silverstein simply voiced his agreement before the FDNY got to their final statement of informing Silverstein that the operation was going to be pulled. First of all, Silverstein wasn't in the position to make such an order. I think at the very best, you could argue that Silverstein was making a suggestion. But even then we have the quotes from Nigro, which indicate that it was his decision, void of any suggestion from Silverstein. The FDNY was not under responsibility to even call Silverstein. Such a call was a call of courtesy.


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So - Debunked. Of course the pretext to this weird claim is that Silverstein would admit such a crime on T.V. He doesn't complain about that clip. Doesn't claim that he was taken out of context. He could of even asked them to reshoot that part of the interview. He could have gotten his lawyers on it, in the worst case. The media, which apparently is also on the cover up, didn't mind showing it numerous times. By the way, 911blogger has dropped this claim. I recommend following in that example.


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[font=Georgia]Alright I had it with Ed/Mark, and his false claims. You are not a truth seeker, you are a debunker. We are performing our civil duty as citizens of our Country, and exercising our right to question our government. You are doing this as a hobby, which makes you very pathetic. I think you need to work on your Mark Roberts skills a bit more, you little follower you. Anyway all your sources are dumb and so is Mark Roberts. Oh, not cause I said so:[/font]

http://stj911.org/press_releases/NIST.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/nis ... reply.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/sciam/index.html
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/ ... hanics.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/au ... tricks.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/au ... y_yarn.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema_report.html
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 1155307646
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish ... 1242.shtml
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/20 ... tence.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/fe ... oflies.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3&hl=en-GB
http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id3.html

http://us-amnesia.blogspot.com/2007/05/ ... perts.html
http://us-amnesia.blogspot.com/2007/05/ ... dence.html

[font=Georgia]Professor David Ray Griffin has already debunked you fools. I suggest you take some lessons from a man alot smarter than you Ed/Mark. Oh and your debunking of the "Debunking of 9/11 Debunking", again pathetic.[/font]
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 Post Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:43 pm 
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ED wrote:
So - Debunked. Of course the pretext to this weird claim is that Silverstein would admit such a crime on T.V. He doesn't complain about that clip. Doesn't claim that he was taken out of context. He could of even asked them to reshoot that part of the interview. He could have gotten his lawyers on it, in the worst case. The media, which apparently is also on the cover up, didn't mind showing it numerous times. By the way, 911blogger has dropped this claim. I recommend following in that example.


Again I asked for proof.
What you gave me is not proof, this is Marks interpretation repeated by you.

Why wouldn't he admit it on TV? He has the "best" government on his side to protect him. Proves nothing.
He does not complain because he does not want to be interviewed again for that statement. Keep it out of the public eye. Proves nothing.
Yes he could have asked to reshoot. Proves nothing.
His Lawyers???? He wants nothing to do with the courts, that's right, let's get him under oath. Please contact him to do so ED.
The media ED, come on....you should know better than that. Is Fox your news station?
911blogger dropped it? Show me please.

So-debunked don't think so.
"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse." –Larry Silverstein

You cannot debunk this, what he said is what he said, in any context.
He called for the demmo first and they did it!
Besides, how do you set up a demmo in only 1/2 a day in a burnning building no less(Prove this please) is beyond me.

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 Post Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:52 pm 
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ED wrote:
''Silverstein first said to pull-it, then "they" made the decision to carry out that order. '' - This is silly. People make decisions to carry out orders? You have just contradicted the very definition of an order(without getting into the philosophical discussions on free will). This is the whole point of the term "order''. The top people make the orders. Those below follow them. The ''decision'' is made at the top.


Ok, who at the top made that decision? Proof now, not Marks assertions and interpretations.

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Note: To enhance this diatribe, I

"Alright I had it with Ed/Mark, and his false claims. ''

Does this mean you'll stop taking your medication?

''You are not a truth seeker, you are a debunker.''

I never called myself a ''truth seeker'', my balls are too large for that.

''We are performing our civil duty as citizens of our Country, and exercising our right to question our government. ''

Is receiving the answers a right, a duty, or both?

''You are doing this as a hobby, which makes you very pathetic.''

My ''hobby'' trumps your right/duty, because my balls are too big.

"I think you need to work on your Mark Roberts skills a bit more, you little follower you.''

Constructive criticism. Until it collapses, yet again without bombs.

"Anyway all your sources are dumb and so is Mark Roberts. ''

Like, anyway, you're a dead movement with no evidence, so are you, anyway. I hope I won that.

''Anyway all your sources are dumb and so is Mark Roberts.

''Oh, not cause I said so: ''

But because some other truther said so? Imagine that.

"Professor David Ray Griffin has already debunked you fools. I suggest you take some lessons from a man alot smarter than you Ed/Mark. Oh and your debunking of the "Debunking of 9/11 Debunking", again pathetic.''

Ed/Mark/your paranoia says: I have higher scientific credentials than Griffin. If I need someone to convert me to Christianity, I'll look for him.

ED - I win.(learn your lesson and stop posting websites with holocaust denial)


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"Ok, who at the top made that decision? Proof now, not Marks assertions and interpretations.''

Ok, it was Chief Daniel Nigro.

Release date: September 23, 2007

"Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

The reasons are as follows:

1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)"

Debunked.


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ED wrote:
Note: To enhance this diatribe, I

"Alright I had it with Ed/Mark, and his false claims. ''

Does this mean you'll stop taking your medication?

''You are not a truth seeker, you are a debunker.''

I never called myself a ''truth seeker'', my balls are too large for that.

''We are performing our civil duty as citizens of our Country, and exercising our right to question our government. ''

Is receiving the answers a right, a duty, or both?

''You are doing this as a hobby, which makes you very pathetic.''

My ''hobby'' trumps your right/duty, because my balls are too big.

"I think you need to work on your Mark Roberts skills a bit more, you little follower you.''

Constructive criticism. Until it collapses, yet again without bombs.

"Anyway all your sources are dumb and so is Mark Roberts. ''

Like, anyway, you're a dead movement with no evidence, so are you, anyway. I hope I won that.

''Anyway all your sources are dumb and so is Mark Roberts.

''Oh, not cause I said so: ''

But because some other truther said so? Imagine that.

"Professor David Ray Griffin has already debunked you fools. I suggest you take some lessons from a man alot smarter than you Ed/Mark. Oh and your debunking of the "Debunking of 9/11 Debunking", again pathetic.''

Ed/Mark/your paranoia says: I have higher scientific credentials than Griffin. If I need someone to convert me to Christianity, I'll look for him.

ED - I win.(learn your lesson and stop posting websites with holocaust denial)


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ED wrote:
"Ok, who at the top made that decision? Proof now, not Marks assertions and interpretations.''

Ok, it was Chief Daniel Nigro.

Release date: September 23, 2007

"Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

The reasons are as follows:

1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)"

Debunked.


Not debunked!
Since when is a fire officer a demo expert?
Who did the demo?
proof please...not crap.

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