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 Post subject: 911 'No-Planes' Conspirators seek to sabatoge the Truth!!
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:21 pm 
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I remember the first time someone said to me "your not one of those people who think no planes hit the twin towers, are ya". I was dumbfounded :? that this is what this guy heard about the movement, because at that time I never heard of the no-planers theory. I realized later it was not just delusional people who believed this but also a planned attack on the movement. It was a pretty sneaky way of trying to seperate the movenments theories, however it did not work.

911 'No-Planes' Conspirators Seek To Sabotage Truth
It's now entirely obvious -- no-planes
is false-opposition truth sabotage
By Dick Eastman
11-4-6

Think about it. While the real investigators take the evidence and link them to men in the Defense Department and in Israel -- the no-planers remain stuck on the assertion that all the 45 video recordings were faked and that all the witnesses who saw the planes are liars and the just make the vaguest totally detached references to "the perps" or just "perps".

They have never linked all the alleged graphics work -- the cartoons we supposedly are all seeing -- to any angency or individual i.e., they never point fingers at anybody specific or to any organization -- just to the magical word "perps" -- but they know all the "truthling" "planehuggers" -- they slander David Ray Griffith and Prof Steven Jones and Russell Pickering and Alex Jones -- in fact, everyone who doesn't agree with them on this one issue they attack by name -- whereas we, the real investigators, will identify Dov Zakheim as being involved with equipment for totally remote controlled air combat and his fanatical Zionism and his dual citizenship -- and the fact that EgyptAir990 -- filled with high Egyptian officers returning from the US to Egypt was taken over so that the pilot and co-pilot could not control it -- a voice is actually heard in English say "control it" after the pilot left the cabin to use the restroom (the pilot and co-pilot spoke Arabic throughout) -- at which time the plane lost control -- and went into a dive (you can hear the co-pilot panicing and calling on Allah when this happened) -- etc. -- all of this is ignored and pushed aside by the no-planers.

You will note also that the no-planers never show doubt -- 45 videos against them, all the witnesses against them, the forensics of the holes made in the buildings against them -- the fact that they have no recordings and no witnesses who where looking at the wall on the south side of the South Tower suddenly explode without a plane hitting it -- not one -- despite this the no-planers have no doubts about their conclusions?

I show them where they have misrepresented (slandered) the witnesses -- all the firemen who say they saw the plane crash, for example -- calling them liars. Even a man who was targeted for death, Stanley Praimnath who saw the United Plane coming right at him from his office window in South Tower -- they accuse him of lying -- and do so all on totally false misquotations of what Praimnath actually said.

No planers are propaganda agents out to discredit and sabotage those who want the truth out.

And they make it clear that one reason they "hate" all the "truthlings" -- whom they slander as "racists" and "white supremacists" (always totally wrong -- a lie that is the exact opposite of the truth) -- they always heap their contempt on anyone whose findings point to Zionists or Israel being involved in 9-11.

And we find that Holmgren is closely associated with Jared Israel -- has been since 2001 as I well remember -- Jared Israel who dedicates his emperorsclothes site to the thesis that Israel and Jews are innocent of 9-11 -- forget the laughing Israelis, Silverstien, the 87 Israelis who were in the country illegally and who had top security clearance badges at Dulles and Reagan National airports on 9-11 and the months leading up to 9-11 (Ashcroft deported them back to Israel a few months after 9-11 - one said on Israeli radio "we went to photograph the event" -- plus the Israeli (Mossad) movers -- etc. etc. the links are endless -- and yet we must argue "no-planes" -- that all the videos and witnesses are liars -- while Paul Wolfowitz instead of getting life in prison for mass murder and crimes against himanity -- goes on to head the International Monetary Fund -- showing his links and trust by the Merchant Bankers who are profiteering from war finance borrowing (Iraq will cost 2 trillion when all costs are added up) and who are each Zionists and sociopaths who do not care about lives of the little people when those lives stand in the way of their gaining more power and money.


People are afraid to agree with me (Dick Eastman) because they they know I have fingered the right people -- people fear the people I have fingered.

And so you sit there reading all of my posts exposing the "no-planer" cointelpro -- and yet you are too afraid to speak up and say Yes, Eastman is done -- lets denounce and blackball these proven disinformation agents working against us -- let's get on with going after the people we have already proven are responsible.


Dick Eastman

Yakima, Washington

"No-Planers"
http://www.investigate911.com
There are some human beings who believe no planes struck the Twin Towers on 9/11. These people have been referred to as, "no-planers," as opposed to the rest of of the sane world, who the "no-planers" refer to as, "plane-huggers." The primary reasons "no-planers" cite as evidence of no planes striking the Twin Towers is:

the aircraft "disappearing," and "melting" into the Twin Towers;

some witnesses say they heard no sound of jets flying towards the buildings.

This is their argument, folks. I asked one "no-planer" - "What do you expect a large jet airliner to do if you fly it into a tall office building? Bounce off the face of the building like a basketball?" That "no-planer" said, "Yes, that's exactly what it should have done."

Incredible stupidity and lack of scientific knowledge; but more importantly, a total lack of common sense.

Not to mention, in order for one to subscribe and believe that no planes struck the World Trade Centers, would require one to discount and ignore the following:

All the videos of the planes striking the towers; multiple videos from multiple sources; the "no-planers" call these videos, "cartoons."

All the testimony from the N.Y. firefighters and officers who witnessed the planes striking the WTC Towers; (See below)

All the pictures and testimony of N.Y. firefighters collecting aircraft parts they found on the street, piling the aircraft parts in a pile;

All the testimony from the surviving family members of AA Flight 11 and UAL Flight 175, who told of their last cellphone conversations with their loved ones on those flights;

The recordings of the stewardesses and hijackers on those flights;

The "no-planers" insist you ignore all the above evidence and instead, they want you to believe the planes everyone saw fly into the WTC Towers is a "holographic image," or a "hologram." In other words, the "no-planers" claim the planes were just a laser show - a hologram. Unbelievable huh? Absolutely impossible.

Yes, these "no-planers" do indeed exist, and they are waging war on the credibility of the rest of the sane world - you know, the people "no-planers" refer to as, "plane-huggers."



Video with Audio

DSL/BROADBAND

http://www.investigate911.com/911video-audio.wmv

DIALUP

http://www.investigate911.com/911video-audiodialup.wmv



Here's the deposed testimony from N.Y. firefighters and officers who saw and heard Flight 11 and Flight 175 fly and crash into the Twin Towers

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/ny ... es_01.html


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N.Y. Fire Dept. Lt. Joseph Chiafari said: "We locked up the car, started heading across Church Street when we heard a roar of a jet engine as if it was taking off in flight and we couldn't help but look into the sky to see exactly what it was and yes, it was a plane just prior to striking the building and the engines were revved up fully. From that you saw it actually piercing the wall of the building with a large amount of fire coming from it."

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/ny ... Joseph.txt


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N.Y. Firefighter Tom Fitzpatrick said: "I thought the plane was actually going to land in the street to be honest with you. The noise was outrageous. When it hit the building it was even worse. I figured, as long as we didn't get hit by the plane, we were ahead of the game. The next thing I was worried about was getting hit by the parts. Various pieces of the plane were falling on the street. As we went down the street you could see parts of aircraft with stencil numbers on it and things like that. There was a wheel, or like a wheel housing or something else there in the street."

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/ny ... ck_Tom.txt


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N.Y. Fireman Edward Cachia said: "We all witnessed the second plane hitting the south tower......"

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/ny ... Edward.txt


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N.Y. Fireman Robert Byrnes said: "Several moments later I noticed a second plane and I commented to myself, look at this nitwit, he's so close, and before I realized it, he had crashed into the side of the south tower."

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/ny ... Robert.txt


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N.Y. Fireman Eric Berntsen said: "We went up on the roof and got there just in time to see the second plane hit the towers."

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/ny ... n_Eric.txt


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N.Y. Fireman Michael Donovan said: "We heard the second plane. We couldn't see it because it was blocked by the buildings. We were actually still on Church Street. We heard the plane briefly, the earth shook, the buildings shook, a tremendous fireball overhead. I thought there was a bomb or an explosion. A tremendous fireball, flaming debris, pieces of the airplane, fuselage, landing gear, pieces of the building."
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/ny ... ichael.txt

A Critical Review of WTC 'No Plane' Theories
http://www.studyof911.com/articles/mirr ... Salter.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: 911 'No-Planes' Conspirators seek to sabatoge the Truth!!
 Post Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:38 am 
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Great work again, even if this were true (which it's not) it would never be the issue to win this battle.

I think it is very important that we counter this disinfo because as you pointed out it might be the one first thing a person hears and it could be all she wrote at that point. As Paul Joseph Watson pointed out in his article "New A&E FBI Show Portrays 9/11 Truthers As Dope Smoking Terrorists"...
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... rs-as.html

...The mainstream is using this as a weapon against us as well...

"'Are you a truther or a sheep?' the man asks the FBI agent.

He continues, “9/11 was a false flag operation man, wake up, a self-inflicted wound to control the masses, you know there was no planes, all of them were holograms and CGI.”

The man then takes a drag on a marijuana spliff and gives the FBI agent a crazed look.

The insertion of the 9/11 truther caveat in the episode serves no purpose except seemingly to convince the viewer that the man is unstable and dangerous. The mention of CGI and holograms, an obsessive tenet of an extreme fringe that attempted to hijack the 9/11 truth movement a few years ago, also serves only to detract more credibility from the subject."

And when general Richard Myers was asked about nanothermite on CSPAN...
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... about.html

...these theories were the first thing he brought up, he stated...

"People saw the planes actually crash into World Trade Centers."

Another thing this stuff does is divert the attention of truthers. I have friends that have been suckered into believing this crap and it is really disheartening because they start to focus on it a lot, when they used to do really good work on solid evidence. IMO we should focus on three things: prior-knowledge, wargames/NORAD, and demolition. That is all we need to make our case. Here is a video I put together on this subject...

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... plane.html


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