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 Post subject: The March on Ottawa for 9/11 Truth
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:34 am 
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I recently went to New York for the 9/11 anniversary and returned with footage for a documentary on the Truth Movement. The point of the video is to show that those involved in the movement are ordinary, informed people. You can watch the 28-minute documentary at:

http://www.watchmojo.com/index.php?id=5765

I would like to propose a March on Ottawa for 9/11 Truth, to take place on 9/11/08. Organized by Canada's many truth chapters, we would arrive from across the country to present the following petition:

Scientific and eyewitness evidence shows that the 9/11 Commission Report is a fraudulent document and that those behind the report are guilty of covering up what happend on 9/11/2001. Specifically, this evidence shows that the twin towers were brought down by demolition explosives, not by airplanes and fire.

It is our view that those covering up what happened were also instrumental in organizing what happened. We believe that elements within the US government murdered thousands of people on 9/11/2001. And made us watch.

We demand:

(1) That the Government of Canada recall the Canadian ambassador to the United States until the US government launches a new, truly independent investigation into the events of 9/11/2001.

(2) That the Government of Canada launch its own investigation into the events of 9/11/2001 on behalf of the 24 Canadian citizens murdered in New York City.

(3) That the Government of Canada act on the findings of its own investigation, even if this means taking such steps as declaring the CIA a terrorist organization and initiating proceedings against members of the US government in the international courts.

Please e-mail and let me know whether you would sign this petition and whether you would march on Ottawa: robertslewis42@hotmail.com.

Or simply add your comments to this discussion forum.

To learn more about the Truth Movement in Canada, you can visit the homepage for this forum at:

http://canadawantsthetruth911.blogspot.com

Keep the faith, RSL

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 Post Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:36 am 
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This is an excellent idea! And we have lots of time to prepare.

Of course it's easy for me to say that i'll be there 'cause montreal is just an 1.5 hours from Ottawa... but it might be more complicated for the people from Vancouver to show up...

Maybe we can add a conference to this idea. Invite a few speakers like Chossudovsky and others...


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 Post Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:30 am 
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Hi, Symon.

At some point, you and I should meet in person, as we both live in Montreal.

I haven't yet heard whether the website for this discussion forum is going to post the petition. We are waiting for feedback.

The other option, if we want to get things moving, is to post the petition on the Montreal 9/11 Truth website.

Any thoughts?

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 Post Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:16 am 
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Sorry about that. I thought I replied to you about the hosting. I have NO problem at all putting the petition on the Canada 9/11 Truth website. Let me know how we should design it and go about it and it'll be done.

I'm going to post some of the feedback I've recieved via email in this post in time as well.

Time. I wish I had more of it!


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 Post Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:43 am 
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Hi, Stephen.

Good to here. It makes most sense to have the petition on your centralized website.

To save you time, you can forward the e-mail responses to me, and I can post them here.

If no one has any objections to the current wording of the petition (in my posting above), we can go with that. The petition heading should make clear that we plan to deliver the petition on 9/11/08, and of course, there should be a counter. Maybe we could set a monthly target for number of signatures?

If you don't mind making up the webpage for the petition (not my forte), I could take a look at it before it goes online.

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 Post Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:29 pm 
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Sounds like a plan Robert. I'll get working on something... or there is an option to just focus on the online one as well? Let's see what people are saying...

Robert Lewis wrote:
Hi, Stephen.

Good to here. It makes most sense to have the petition on your centralized website.

To save you time, you can forward the e-mail responses to me, and I can post them here.

If no one has any objections to the current wording of the petition (in my posting above), we can go with that. The petition heading should make clear that we plan to deliver the petition on 9/11/08, and of course, there should be a counter. Maybe we could set a monthly target for number of signatures?

If you don't mind making up the webpage for the petition (not my forte), I could take a look at it before it goes online.


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 Post Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:31 pm 
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Here's some email replies that I have. I won't post who from, just in case they didn't want me too...

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I love this idea and would participate in putting it into a reality from our end (Edmonton). I'm presently looking into putting together a mini convention in the fall of 2008 with my own money but perhaps a convention in Ottawa would be a better plan and co-inside with this special event you propose with a petition.

We can certainly get signatures here in Edmonton that's more effective compared to Internet petitions and getting started on this in the new year would have a profound effect not to mention the amount of signatures collected.

Here's the present Internet petition- http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/ ... i?cntroops

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This on line petition is getting flogged time and time again through mass e-mails, web site notices and even 911 blogger ran it. It is slow but the momentum continues. If we could coordinate all 911 truth groups across Canada to include a petition during there activism we could gather signatures until August of 2008 , send to all to one person who would then present it to a Parliament MP. I've learned the on line petition has not the kind of authority that a written and signed petition. I would suggest your friend who worded this petition to coordinate it. Its a great idea but someone has to see it through to the end.

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Some comments:
(1) In order to get signatures from people who aren't "up" on the facts when you meet them on the street corner, you will need to have ready a VERY SHORT list of facts that the person can read on the spot. Perhaps something like the "11 Remarkable Facts about 9/11" cards we handed out at the Gay Pride Day.
(2) Make sure the petition is online, so people who can't make up their mind on the spot can sign later.
(3) Make sure the peition website is printed on everything you hand out, with deadline date.
(4) Make sure there is a list of easy-to-recognize websites also printed, like Veterans for 9/11 Truth, Patriots Question 9/11, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Scholars for 9/11 Truth (and Justice). It is tempting to place the sites we visit the most, like 9/11 Blogger, InfoWars, 9/11 Truth.org, or our own local sites at the top of the list, but newcomers will find more immediate credibility in the "specialist" groups.

While I have your ears, some comments about the Calgary group's video of them approaching soldiers on 11/11. I truly, truly, truly respect you guys for your balls, but I believe hounding is the wrong approach for soldiers, especially when they're in uniform. Mocking them with words like "cannon fodder," or asking emotionally charged rhetorical questions as you walk along beside them will make them feel defensive, even combative when in uniform. Psychologically, defensiveness makes people LESS receptive to your message and more likely to see you as an enemy. We do NOT want this. The best question to ask soldiers and vets is, "Have you heard about a group called Veterans for 9/11 Truth, or Patriots Question 9/11?" or "Did you know that there are many former soldiers and officers, CIA and FBI agents, diplomats and politicians, NYC police and firefighters, and families of 9/11 victims who believe 9/11 was an inside job?"

We need to use the credibility of specialists at EVERY opportunity to compensate for our lack of credentials. (Even though WE know we are intelligent, honest and dedicated, we are just Joe Schmuck conspiracy theorists to those who don't know us or the movement.) You could also ask questions like, "Have you received training in the handling of Depleted Uranium munitions?" or "Has the army taught you anything about the history and tactics of false flag terrorism?" Whatever question you ask, give the names of just two or three easy-to-remember 9/11 groups, so they might go to their websites later. Try to talk WITH them, not AT them. If they are obviously not listening, just name a couple of 9/11 sites and cut it short, politely, to minimize antagonism.

I hope you'll accept this all as constructive criticism. Again, I really admire what you've all been doing, in EVERY city!

I am attaching something I just finished writing today. My reflections on this Remebrance Day. Feel free to share with others, if it strikes a chord with you.

Peace, brothers and sisters.

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 Post Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:03 pm 
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I have signed the petition on removing Canadian soldiers from Afghanistan. But I don't think that this is the best petition around which to build our March on Ottawa.

The fact is that we are not in Afghanistan because of bin Laden. That may be the official reason for why we entered Afghanistan, but now the popular consensus is that we are there to prevent the Taliban from terrorizing their own people. So the Afghanistan petition for me doesn't properly keep the focus on 9/11 itself.

We need to recognize that very dark forces within the US establishment have taken actions that echo those of the worst dictator in recent memory. Like Hitler, Bush has attacked his own people as a pretext for war and as a pretext to destroy his people's Constitution.

History will judge our generation by our response to the 9/11 cover-up. Like our grandparents' generation, we have experienced the first waves of totalitarian madness. It happened then, and it's happening now.

Are we going to wait too long? Until there's another holocaust? Maybe a self-serving war with Iran? A small nuclear war that makes it necessary to take away everyone's liberties?

If anyone out there hasn't yet put the pieces together, 9/11 was not a minor affair. It was the beginning of something larger than Iraq, larger than oil. A "war on terror" is the dream war for those behind 9/11 because it is a war that cannot be won, a war that goes on and on, a war that erodes our Constitutional rights year by year, a war that will make people agree to the totalitarian desires of their corrupt, criminal, murderous, dark-minded, soulless leaders.

Our petition needs to keep the focus on these leaders, on what they did on 9/11, while everyone watched so that we would know terror and carry that fear in our hearts.

But I am not afraid, because I know where the threat lies. Not within Islam, not across the oceans and deserts. But in the faces we see on our evening news every day, the faces of Bush, and Cheney, and Rice, and Rumsfeld, and the list goes on.

These people terrorized us all and murdered our friends and family members on 9/11. I propose that we show history that we are angry, energized, informed, mobile, and fearless.

For now,
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 Post Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:10 pm 
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On the issue of whether handsigned petitions carry more weight than online petitions: I've never heard this.

I do know that Avaz has had great success with its online petitions, which it prints off and presents at various world events and to various world leaders. These printed online petitions have been getting attention.

So I'm not convinced that all the labour of getting handsigned petitions is necessary, although we could do both.

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 Post subject: Robert and Symon
 Post Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:49 pm 
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Hi Robert, I manage mtl911truth.org I'll post something on the Montreal Website... can you please arrange something in french also, Sym, if you have time... otherwise Robert, send to mtl911truth@hotmail.com, exactly what you'd like me to post (subject: Ottawa March Website info) and i'll get somebody to translate for me... if you have that movie you made and the links for me to embed on the site, i can do that too.

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 Post Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:09 pm 
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Okay, so I think the best thing for me to do is use PetitionsOnline to set this thing up. (http://www.petitiononline.com/petition.html) which I'm in the process of doing right now.

We can collect them there and in person. There's no reason why not. I'll let you know when it's ready.


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 Post Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:57 pm 
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Okay folks, I have one started, not on petitions online though. I looked for a different one. What do you think?

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/canada911truth/

What changes are needed?


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 Post Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:50 pm 
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 Post Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:16 pm 
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Robert has created a video and posted it on youtube to help promote the petition and march. Have a look!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZGXOygsANg

Speaking of the petition, be sure to go and sign it... and pass it along to anyone in your contact lists.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/canada911truth/

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 Post Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:26 pm 
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I posted something today forwarded to me by the CAP;

Should we included some of their notes on this. It was mentionned to me to include Afganistan as the reality of the situation is 9/11 is the reason we are there fighting a BOGUS war on Terror despite what the popular concensus is now.

Check this page under Royal Commission to Investigate 9/11; NAU; Afghanistan

http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/cgi/p ... &zine=show

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